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Last post Thu, Oct 08 2009, 2:12 PM by Jkaz. 4 replies.
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  •  Thu, Oct 08 2009, 2:12 PM

    Re: Problems with Esure and their contactor Body tec

    Dear Huckster, Sparky, and Funstar

    Thank you for your time and your advice.

    I have done most of what you have suggested and will keep you updated.

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  •  Wed, Oct 07 2009, 8:40 AM

    Re: Problems with Esure and their contactor Body tec

    Hi J Kaz

    I agree with others on this thread that you should escalate your complaint to the highest person possible.

    But beware that rants and adding things to add weight to your complaint can have the opposite effect.

    Its unacceptable for body tec to drive your car through a congestion zone unessacerily but its acceptable for garages to test drive vehicles for running faults (so the body tec driver will be insured). Either way if they were driving at the time they should pay the charge.

    If body tec have damaged your car they need to pay to fix it. However garages and insurance companies have ways of trying to aviod paying for things. you should get the report carried out by a main dealer you can trust and ask esure to reinburse you. This way you get the honest opinion of the dealer and not one that has been influenced by the garage or your insurance company. Its also very important to get the dealer to coment on the cause of the fault not just what the fault is. for example if the running fault is caused by an accident damaged part not just wear and tear. (insurers wont pay for wear and tear)

    With regards to the other driver not disclosing the correct information, it sound like your insurers are trying to contact the driver of the other vehicle by sending the other insurers the allegations, i know from personal experiance this is not a quick process but to be fair its not your insurance comps fault the other party haven't responded. Further more the false details you were given will only be delaying things. In short Insurance comps cant just assume the other party will admit fault so they cant just assume the other party will pay your bills.

    hope this info helps you

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  •  Tue, Oct 06 2009, 7:10 PM

    Re: Problems with Esure and their contactor Body tec

    I have little to add to the comments by Sparky. When you make a complaint you need to address the keys points and the compensation or resolution you are seeking. Ask E-sure for their final response to your complaint setting out what they are willing to do and then if you are unhappy go to the Financial Ombudsman. E-Sure if they contracted Body-Tec are responsible for the work and other issues caused by them. So E-sure should be dealing with Body-Tec.

    Asia Mansoor who is the Public Relations Officer for E-sure, recently joined the forum and has asked for any issues to be brought to her attention. This is her post.

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    Hello. I work in esure’s Corporate Communications team. Have just read your posts and wanted to ask you to please get in touch with us. Please can you send an email to customer.relations AT esure.com and put 'Moneysupermarket' in the subject box along with your policy number, full name, date of birth and post code plus a contact telephone number.

    One of esure's customer relations team is looking out for your email and will contact you as soon as possible, to do their very best to help you resolve this matter.

    Thank you, Asia.

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    If you send an e-mail, I would suggest that you copy in peter.graham AT esure.com. Peter is the current CEO. When you send the email use the proper AT symbol used for e-mails. It is the MS forum that stop the proper symbol being added to posts.

    Keep your e-mail short and to the point. Long e-mails with a rant, can put people off from replying.

    Huckster

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  •  Tue, Oct 06 2009, 6:40 PM

    Re: Problems with Esure and their contactor Body tec

    JKaz,

    What is it that you want help or advice with?

    You have a few problems here, which to summarize your post to improve your chances of some help:

    1) Your car was damaged in an accident where the other driver was at fault

    2) This driver has provided you with false details.

    3) You contacted your insurer (esure) who provided woeful customer service in registering the claim.

    4) Your car was taken to Body Tec for repairs which took a while, and you had poor communication from them

    5) Whilst at Body Tec your car was driven in a congestion charge area by Body Tec and you received a fine from TFL for non payment of the charge.

    6) Body Tec provided shockingly bad customer service and eventually returned your car after receiving a small plastic clip required for a part which you say was not damaged previously.

    7) On receipt of the car you noticed an engine problem with black exhaust smoke, and the dvd player had stopped working.

    8) You sent an email to Peter Wood, the founder and executive of Esure peter.wood AT esure.com and you were advised by a customer service rep to take the car to the dealership for investigation, but on contacting the dealer you would not be given a courtesy car.

    9) Then the matter was passed to Jason M. Hirst (MIMI, IMIAEA, AMSOE, AMIRTE, Eng Tech), Senior Team Leader, Technical Services (Manchester) 0161 862 2057 (ext - 12057), Jason.hirst AT esure.com whom you had trouble dealing with. Again you requested that they take care of the cost and provide a courtesy car.

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    I would go ahead and escalate again to Peter Wood (cc Jason Hirst), and / or HBOS (though I didn't understand why HBOS) with a more concise version of events (a timeline) with a more detailed description (in chronological order) attached also so that they can see at a quick glance what your concerns are. If it's too long, they may not read it before passing it on.

    I would also take the complaint up with the FOS / FSA, but other members may provide better information on what you can expect from them or esure (e.g. Huckster / Jalexa)

    You should if you haven't already report the accident to the Police with whatever details you have so that they can investigate the driver.

    You could also report the unnamed driver from Body Tec for driving your car (possibly without insurance - would the company insurance have covered his activities when captured miles from their workshop). You can provide them with the congestion charge on this.

    It is also entirely possible that something else untoward has happened to your car whilst it has been out of your possession, and so I would get a full report on the car to determine if any other damage (front impact) has occured that would require them to replace the bonnet badge?

    HTH

    Sparky

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  •  Tue, Oct 06 2009, 10:18 AM

    Problems with Esure and their contactor Body tec

    Dear All,

    I have a problem with Esure and the contractor they use Body Tec. I would be most grateful if someone can give me an advice.

    In August 2009, a lady crashed into my husband’s vehicle. It is a Mercedes and the accident caused damage to the bodywork. Prior to the accident the car was working well and in good condition. The car is only 1.5 years old and is serviced by a Mercedes dealership regularly.

    My husband has had full comprehensive insurance with Esure for more than 3 years and never filed a claim before. From the first call to Esure we have experienced problems, which I will mention later in this post.

    Our car was taken for repair to Body Tec. They had the car for over a week and whenever we called we were told that they were waiting for the parts to compete the repair.

    Whilst the car was in repair by Esure repairer Body Tec, we received a letter from Transport of London informing us about a congestion charge fine. We always pay on the day if we plan to go to a congestion charge zone. When we checked the dates and time on the fine we were shocked to find out our car was driven to the congestion charge zone after Body Tec collected the car. The Body Tec garage is located only a 7-minute drive from us (Body Tec Ltd, Unit 3, Minavil House, Ealing Rd, Wembley Middlesex HA0 4EL) and is nowhere near the congestion charge zone.

    I called Body Tec and asked to speak to the manager, but instead I was put through to the same person who collected the car. He told me that they were still waiting for a part, which they expected to arrive in a couple of days. After finally getting through to the manager, I raised my concerns about the time of the repair and about the congestion charge. Instead of trying to reassure me that the company is trustworthy and offering to look into the problem, the manager of Esure repairer Body Tec came out with excuses such us Transport of London had made a mistake or someone copied our number plate. The number plates could not have been copied, as from the congestion charge picture it is clearly our car. Damage on the front of the car can also be seen.

    In addition to that, only two hours after speaking to the manager we received a call saying that the car had been fixed and we could collect it. I called and confronted them about the fact that I was told that the car needed a part but after my complaint it was suddenly ready for collection. I was told that they had been waiting for a small clip-on part, which was delivered after my phone call.

    Our car was delivered the next day. The worker from Esure repairer Body Tec was extremely rude and quite intimidating. We told him that we did not wish to discuss the matter with him as we had already made a complaint to Esure. However, the Body Tec worker continued arguing, saying that he does not need to drive our car as he has a nice BMW.

    When we checked the car we found an extra small clip-on part, a Mercedes Flat Bonnet Badge Bonnet Star. I believe that was the part for which Esure repairer Body Tec was waiting. However, it was never damaged in the accident and there was no need to change it.

    As soon as my husband started driving the car, we noticed that it was making a very loud noise and vibration from the engine could also be felt from inside of the car as well as black smoke coming out of the exhaust pipe. The car now sounds like a taxi or an old car. We also found that the DVD player was not working, but it was perfectly fine before they collected the car.

    I sent an email to Peter Wood, the founder and executive of Esure peter.wood AT esure.com. One of the customer service representatives contacted my husband and asked him to send a copy of the congestion charge document and a copy of the Body Tec document proving that the car was not in our possession. The advisor suggested we take the car to the Mercedes dealership; however, they did not provide instructions on who was going to pay.

    I spoke to other advisers the next day. I was asked again to send a copy of the congestion charge and Body Tec collection note. I pointed out that we had sent all the documents; however, I was told that the colleague with whom we communicated previously did not pass any information along and was off of work.

    Then the matter was passed to Jason M. Hirst (MIMI, IMIAEA, AMSOE, AMIRTE, Eng Tech), Senior Team Leader, Technical Services (Manchester) 0161 862 2057 (ext - 12057), Jason.hirst AT esure.com.

    Mr. Hirst insisted that we should pay the congestion charge fine and wait for them to investigate the matter. Only after I mentioned that I would have to send a complaint to HBOS and the board of shareholders did he reluctantly agree to send a cheque for it.

    I found Mr. Hirst very difficult to communicate with. Regardless of the fact that I had raised a complaint about Body Tec services and the behavior of their staff and brought to his attention the problem with the engine and DVD, and regardless of the fact that the other colleagues advised us to take the car to the Mercedes dealership, Mr. Hirst proposed as a solution to TAKE OUR CAR TO BODY TEC SO THEY COULD INVESTIGATE THE PROBLEM. I found it unacceptable that instead of looking into a complaint and investigating how trustworthy their contractor is, Esure wanted to send my car back to the people who caused the problem in the first place.

    In a few days I contacted Mr. Hirst again to let him know how much the Mercedes dealership would charge us to investigate the problem and also to inform him that they could not provide a courtesy car and that Esure needed to take care of it.

    I was told by Mr. Hirst that we had to pay the Mercedes dealership, provide them with a report and they would only settle the bill if the problems were related to the accident. I stressed again that we did not have any problems with the engine before Body Tec collected the car and that money should not come from the accident claim, as it was the Esure contractor that caused the problem. In relation to the courtesy car, Mr. Hirst said that they were not prepared to provide one unless we would again take the car to Body Tec.

    I am very disappointed, as we had decided to join Esure after finding good reviews on the Internet. In our experience it has been an absolute nightmare.

    In addition to the above, as I mentioned in the beginning of the post we had problems when we first contacted Esure to report the accident.

    We called Esure on Saturday after the accident happened. Although we have full comprehensive insurance we were advised by the new claims department to directly call the other party’s insurance company. The information provided by the Esure operator was not correct and after waiting for almost 20 minutes to speak to the other party’s insurer, we were told that they do not communicate with individuals and that our insurance company should contact them.

    When we called on Monday to find out when Esure was going to collect the car for the repair, we were put through to the new claims department again. Apparently the Esure operator did not take any of our details and there were no notes of our call. Only after speaking to a manager (it took almost 45 minutes before I could speak to someone senior), Esure agreed to back date the claim.

    We also were given the email address of one of the Esure representatives to send details about the lady who hit our car. When she hit our car she came out of her car, comforted her two crying children and said not to worry because she was fully insured. She also apologized and wrote all her details on a piece of paper. However, to complicate matters she did not report the accident and also gave us incorrect details such as non-existent telephone and mobile numbers. She also lied about the name of the insurance company she was insured with. We emailed a copy of the paper with the other driver’s handwritten details. Esure was supposed to contact the other insurance company and inform them that their client provided incorrect details. We have been told by a police officer that it is against the law to not report accidents.

    However, after more that 5 weeks after reporting the accident, reply from Esure states that they have sent their allegations to other insurer, holding them at fault, but are still waiting for a response. Now they insist that we have to pay for the claim, which will also result in loss of our non claim bonus.

    Esure has all the documents, and their procedure is to after a certain time inform the other party that they will take the matter to court. However, it looks like Esure’s position is just to claim money from us.

    Esure is one of the biggest insurance providers and one would expect excellent customer service as well as quick responses.

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