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Last post Sun, Dec 06 2009, 5:36 PM by huckster. 11 replies.
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  •  Sun, Dec 06 2009, 5:36 PM

    Re: Nationwide Autocentre

    Twee

    I also know someone who works for Nationwide and has seen what goes on in a few of their sites.

    This is what he says. " I would not let these cowboys anywhere near my cars."

    Him and his wife get their cars serviced by a local independent garage they have been going to for years and who they trust.

    Huckster

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  •  Sun, Dec 06 2009, 1:58 PM

    Re: Nationwide Autocentre

    Perhaps the CSMA (Civil Service Motoring Association) would be interested in this - Nationwide have been on their "approved list" for at least 30 years - they even give a discount to CSMA members ......

    http://www.csmaclub.co.uk/carshop/motoringservices/servicing?search_term=nationwide

    According to the CSMA - Nationwide offers ......"Big savings on main and franchise dealer servicing costs – plus it won’t invalidate your warranty. Honest and accurate advice from highly experienced and fully qualified technicians."

    You may disagree though ?

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  •  Sun, Dec 06 2009, 12:58 PM

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    hi tom have read your comments regarding nationwide autocentres with interest, i spent many years in employment with this company at a managerial level and unfortunately your personal experience is not an isolated incident. over the years they have become more and more money motivated putting profit above honesty and customer service. i personally know many competent mechanics working for them but unfortunately there are also many incompetent ones. i personally would never recommend them to anyone.............
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  •  Wed, Oct 28 2009, 2:00 PM

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    Well.... It looks like the car is finally sorted!

    The car still felt bumpy after collecting last from NA, but this is because of the start of the blow-out and the fact that now that the tyre has been replaced it feels like it did before it went in.

    The independent garage that I took the car to for inspection said that it looks like everything has now been fixed, with the exception of the glow plugs which should have been replaced during the major service. However, that's far too minor a thing to dwell on given everything else that's happened.

    Now that the car is sorted, all that is left to do is to respond to the letter from the CEO and thank them for their help and ask them what they are doing to prevent this kind of thing from ever happening again, i.e. having to wait until escalation reaches a regional manager in order for their organisation to say "you're right, we messed up and we'll get things sorted for you."

    Any of you who want to use NA in the future, I strongly recommend scrutinisng any work they carry out or if you can't, then get someone else to. Otherwise, I would stay well clear until they prove that they have improved the QA.

    Let's bare in mind that the car went in in April and only now is an independentgarage satisfied that it's now back to how it was originally. I wouldn't want anyone to go through the same thing we have.

    I will post back and let you know what the CEO says. However, if I'm asked not to publish details of the correspondance, then I will agree not to do so, because the proof will be in their actions and not anything they necessarily say.
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  •  Tue, Oct 27 2009, 11:14 AM

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    I have met the senior manager from NA this morning and we had a lengthy discussion about the outstanding issues.

    I'm happy to say that the tyre that had the blow out was not replaced by NA, even though the location on the invoice was driver side rear.

    The manager explained that he had checked the make and model of the tyre and it did not match and I am happy with his is assessment.

    We do not know how the tyres became mixed up, but because the car was in their garage so many times it is highly possible that it got swapped during one of the visists.

    Although he gave a gaurantee about all of the tyres on the car, because of the nature of the blow out, it appears that it is due to a manufacturer defect.

    I also explained that I had not yet replied to the letter from CEO because I was still not 100% confident that the car was driving as it was before this started.

    We agreed that I would take the car to another garage to get a replacement tyre and would let them asses this outstanding issue.

    If they are happy that the car is ok then I will write back to NA and confirm that the problems with the car are now resolved.

    The only thing left to do at that point will be for the CEO to convince me that they really have overhauled their QA process like I have been advised.

    I have also agreed with NA that I will update this thread with the outcome no matter what, so that it least we can get closure on this.

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  •  Mon, Oct 26 2009, 4:18 PM

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    Huckster - I wasn't aware of any of that! That's really useful. Thanks.

    He's taking the tyre away for inspection and there is no way that he will dispute replacement/refund given everything else has happened. I will make sure I take lots of pictures before handing it over!

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  •  Mon, Oct 26 2009, 2:15 PM

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    tomocb:

    I will be discussing the issue with the regional manager on monday. He has already agreed to come and collect the tyre given the circumstances.

    I will let you know what happens.

    Just make sure you take plenty of photographs of the tyre from all angles. Particularly photograph all the various serial numbers and codes on the sidewall of the tyre.

    What will the regional manager do with the tyre? Will he arrange for the tyre to be independently inspected?

    I have heard that some garages are selling tyres that are very old and have even passed off retreads as new. There have been a few articles in the press recently about age of tyres. Apparently some older tyres can be dangerous, even though the tread may be legal.

    Hope your partner is ok. Make sure she rests as stress is not good her condition.

    Huckster

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  •  Mon, Oct 26 2009, 1:16 PM

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    I have just returned home and have looked at the tyre. It's not good.

    The first thing is where the blow-out occured. It's on the inside of the tyre, i.e. facing into the car, so there is almost zero chance that this was caused by a puncture.

    The second and most worrying part is that this is the only tyre that NA replaced during the fiasco! After the "major service" their mobile technician indicated that the wheel balalncing was completely incorrect on this wheel and that it had been put on the wrong way.

    There is absolutely no doubt in mind now that Nationwide Autocentres are dangerous and irresponsible and I urge anyone who reads this to tell their nearest and dearest not to use this organisation.

    I will be discussing the issue with the regional manager on monday. He has already agreed to come and collect the tyre given the circumstances.

    I will let you know what happens.

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  •  Mon, Oct 26 2009, 1:15 PM

    Re: Nationwide Autocentre

    Another update: I finally received the letter from the CEO, however the letter was dated after when the regional manager had advised me it had been sent, by a considerable amount of time.

    Also, the letter filename in the footer of the document was also recent.

    Anyway, I had been discussing the matter further with my partner about the state of the tyres which NA had advised were perfectly ok - contradictory to what the technician had originally advised. I was intening on writing back to the CEO when my partner phoned me up and said that she had just had a blow out on one of the rear tyres!!

    She is ok but just a little shaken up as she is 7 months pregnant. The AA are on their way to meet her now and to fit the spare as I'm at least an hours drive from there.

    I telephoned the regional manager straight away to explain the situation and have requested that we all meet up to find out what the hell is going on. I have asked the AA for a full report on the condition of the tyre.

    Could things get any worse for this organisation?!?

    Thoughts anyone? Is this still just coincidence or this the worst case of car maintenance you have ever heard of?!?

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  •  Fri, Jul 03 2009, 12:36 PM

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    huckster:

    Hi

    I have heard some horror stories before about this company. Why are they still an AA approved service centre and how did they win awards e.g. Retail Motor Industry Federation repairer of the year 2008.

    Perhaps you should also copy in the AA and the federation about your experience.

    Huckster

    Hi Huckster - You're absolutely right, which is why I contacted the Nationwide Autocentre Partnering Manager at the AA and have alerted him to what's been happening.

    What was rather interesting was the fact that I mentioned I was going to have discussion with this exact person at the AA and one of the senior managers contacted this person in attempt to pre empt our meeting! At the moment there are alarm bells ringing and guilty signs all over that organisation.

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  •  Fri, Jul 03 2009, 11:07 AM

    Re: Nationwide Autocentre

    Hi

    I have heard some horror stories before about this company. Why are they still an AA approved service centre and how did they win awards e.g. Retail Motor Industry Federation repairer of the year 2008.

    Perhaps you should also copy in the AA and the federation about your experience.

    Huckster

    • Post Points: 20
  •  Fri, Jul 03 2009, 8:43 AM

    Nationwide Autocentre

    *** DO NOT USE NATIONWIDE AUTOCENTRE ***

    I have reported them to VOSA, ASA, Trading Standards, the Police for criminal damage and theft of money, motoring groups, Watchdog, etc.

    BE WARNED - They are not part of the Motoring Industry Code of Practice. 5,000 other organisations are, but they are not.

    Here is a copy of the latest email that I have had to send to their senior management:

    ******************************* *****************************

    Dear Jon,

    Thank you for telephoning me earlier and apologies for being agitated on the phone, as I know you do not have all the facts yet about what has been happening, so I will happily update you. Firstly, please do not be put off by the length of this email. Once you have read it, I'm sure you'll agree, that given the detail of what has happened, it is very concise and very important that you are made aware.

    I have been waiting for Andy Webb to contact me all week and have been telephoning the head office and have spoken with Donna and one or more of her colleagues on separate occasions, trying to find out why I have not been contacted.

    Late last week Andy and myself agreed that an employee would inspect our vehicle to complete an assessment of what has happened. We also agreed that Andy would contact me early in the week so we could discuss a way forward once he had received his report from the employee who inspected the car.

    The employee who inspected the car was also called Andy and advised me that the car should not be driven. He advised me that he was certain that the car had been "driven with some considerable force directly into a pavement at a slight angle". This has caused extensive damage to both front wheel rims which he explained would require replacement along with two new tyres.

    Andy went on to explain that he was deeply concerned about the quality of the major service, MOT and 4 wheel tracking that had been carried out at the Maidstone branch. His verbal report to me was very detailed, but in brief he explained that the wheel balancing had not been carried out correctly, the coolant system had not been drained and refilled, the oil had an insufficient level in the engine, a rear wiper that had been charged at an additional cost had not been fitted to the car. You will find full and further details in Andy's report.

    When I collected the car from the Maidstone branch after the major service, MOT and 4 wheel tracking I was shocked at what I discovered. My partner and I were handed an invoice for the works without an MOT certificate, emissions certificate or the service schedule. It took one lengthy discussion with Richard, branch manager, and two additional phone calls with him in order to obtain all of these documents over the subsequent 7 days.

    My shock turned to disbelief when my partner, who owns the car in question, asked that I test drive the car as it felt completely different and even felt unsafe. It was clear that

    something was significantly wrong with the car and an initial inspection of the car revealed

    that several items had not been attended to as part of the said works.

    I contacted Richard at the Maidstone branch and we agreed that the car be returned

    immediately so that the original works could be carried out. These works were never done and it was only when Andy visited us to inspect the car that he took it to the Strood branch to carry out the works himself.

    Once the car was returned from Strood, it was clear that although most of the remedial works

    had been carried out, there was still something very wrong with the car that had been there

    since it had been at the Maidstone branch. This is what prompted further discussions with

    Andy Webb about what had happened with the two front wheels.

    The question at the point is why did Andy Webb not only not contact me this week, but did not return any of my calls, even just to say that he was not going to pursue this any further.

    This is when he knew full well that we had yet to agree a refund on the works that had not

    been carried out, ie. coolant system. Andy provisionally said that he would offer a 50%

    discount on our next service. You can probably imagine what my reaction was at this point.

    This is where things become deeply troubled; over a year ago I was in discussion with Alan

    Stenning who had to step in to resolve an issue I had with the Sturry branch who single

    handidly managed to ruin my previous car by incorrectly rewiring it when they replaced the

    clutch. The car would not start most of the time for circa 9 months. At first the car went

    in to the Strood garage because although I then used to live in Margate, because the car

    broke down in Margate, it went to the Sturry branch but subsequently went to Strood because I then worked in Chatham.

    The Strood branch were given the opportunity to rectify the damage done to the wiring but

    failed to fix it and refused to take any action. After that I had an electrical specialist

    discover that the earthing cable had not been fitted correctly to the gear box and clutch

    system. A mistake which the specialist described as "amatuer". He was so concerned that he even gave me further contact details and notes so that Nationwide could discuss the issue

    with him.

    I asked for Nationwide to cover the cost of the new battery that was fitted, time spent on

    identifying the fault and the work by the specialist in isolating the problem and fixing it.

    Nationwide refused several times over until I escalated the matter to Alan Stenning, who

    having had opportunity to examine the facts, was clear in his mind that Nationwide had

    delivered an appaling service.

    I explained to Alan at the time that I believed he didn't know the half of it when I then

    went on to explain how one time when I collected the same car from the Sturry branch after a service my girlfriend and I nearly lost control of the car and crashed because the underside

    engine guard had not been replaced correctly by the garage. It fell onto the road and the

    car swerved onto the verge.

    At that point I was reimbursed by Alan and he gave me assurances that this sort of thing

    would not happen again and that I should contact him directly next time I wanted to book my

    car in at Nationwide, so that he could oversee the process personally.

    Naturally I had many reservations about doing such a thing, until my partner Katie Nichols

    asked that she wanted her car to have a major service, MOT and tracking, so I promised her

    that Alan Stenning would take care of it. I tried telephoning him but his number was no

    longer in operation. I believed at that time that he had left the company.

    I have been made to look like a complete fool because of the assurance I passed on to my

    partner from Alan. Over the past five years I have used Nationwide extensively and you will

    see that I have spent a considerable amount of money for your service and every time I have

    been delivered an appaling, rude, arrogant, inadequate service. Every branch I have used has

    had problems which have required the intervention of senior management in order to resolve.

    5 years later after more failed promises I find myself in an even worse position with

    Nationwide than when I was told things would be improved at Branch level.

    Given the extreme seriousness of these events I have been left with no choice but to report

    Nationwide to the police for theft of money - the refund which has not been provided to my

    partner Katie Nichols - and the criminal damage to the car which must have happened when I

    returned the car to the Maidstone branch. I know that in whole this is a civil matter which

    the police will not themselves investigate, but I will be discussing it with my solicitor in

    order to ensure that legal action is taken.

    In addition to this I will provide a full and comprehensive report to trading standards, the national and local press, internet motoring forums and do I everything I can to ensure that consumers do not use Nationwide at all.

    I now ask for you to check my account of events with both Alan Stenning, Andy who has

    inspected the car, the Sturry, Strood and Maidstone branch and Andy Webb, and then invite you to call me and offer a pragmatic solution to this entire mess which has left my partner with a car she can no longer drive. I will later request a written apology to Kate from the chief executive of Nationwide.

    There is clearly a lot that you can do to try in someway to rectify this and there is much

    that I hope I can explain in further detail about this to you that will help Nationwide in

    preventing this sort of thing happening again. Thank you for your time. I look forward to

    hearing from you.

    Kindest regards

    Tom Billingham

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