Skiggy,

I never actually said anything about the road repairs, and whilst you are correct about the highways dept., I stated about the 'Road obstructions and speed cameras' which are totally different.

The government has plenty of cash removed from drivers wallets by their henchmen (highwaymen) but do not use it for its allocated purpose.

Deduce from that what you like, but I bet most of us could find better uses on a lower personal level rather than give it to them...

Work it out: 20% tax + 12% NI + Fuel duty (59p) + 20%VAT....means that for every litre of diesel £1.40 at the pumps, you need to earn £2.21p to pay for it...

Does that make you feel happy? That makes the price of a gallon not £6 as they would have you believe, but OVER £10...

Get on that one AA...

Sorry spyderman you have your facts crossed, while it is true that the police, fire and county council precips do come from council tax, the HIGHWAYS DEPT of each County is funded by Central Gov out of Road Tax.

What makes me angry is the way the Gov say "we are all in this together" They forgot to say "except MPs and bankers and big businesses".. The MPs get everything paid for, they live for free and now they are getting even more because now they can claim expences for their kids and if they live on the outskirts of London they can claim for a second home.

Even the pensioners have to pay now, the Gov has reduced the winter fuel payment for everyone by £50. This Gov has looked after their own, the money men. While it is true they may be paying a little more in taxes, what they pay to what they get is nothing and they won't even miss it. Tell that to the thousands of poor sods who have lost their jobs and homes in order to make the bankers richer.

They are a Kamikazi Government, they know they will not have a cat in hell's chance of getting elected again so they are doing as much damage to the working class as they can while making life as good as possible for the rich. Now they are going to abolish the 50p rate of tax so their rich buddies get even more money.

1p off a litre ( that has not been passed on, on average only 0.6p ) I can sympathise with fuel forecourts not adjusting their prices, they knowing full well they are currently only putting prices UP. We the poor Cash Cow motorists are only here to fill the coffers of Oil / Fuel producers - All Banking Institutions - and Government Depts. It started with the Banks getting us all into a financial mess, and we suffer the consequence! No it's not the banks that have to pay out to recover the national debt that they more than helped in creating. Now the oil companies are piling on the pressure by reducing output to help push up the price, and the government then increases tax ( greedy pigs) so there is more revenue on increased revenue ( and this is a double edge sword situation, because they get the benefit of the increased barrel of oil price from the north sea with all the taxs that are included ). And! to cap it all, we shall not have Good Repaired Roads, so as to make road vehicles less efficient, thus using more fuel. First of all, the Banks should be made to pay back all the monies that caused the 'near financial crash' from their huge profits. Government ministers, past & present should be made to pay out of THEIR huge salaries for THEIR transport costs to and from 'so called WORK'. I don't get any kind of relief, for my journies to and from work it's just the opposite INCREASED FUEL COSTS . Now that the budget has demanded a £2Billion tax hike from northsea revenues the oil companies are up in arms and are going to take away future investment I don't think so - theres way to much money to be made in OIL just look at the recovery of BP after their big pay out to the Gulf of Mexico crisis - I must stop now because it goes on & on etc.

Skiggy, You are wrong partly.

The councils are funded by what the government allow them to keep from what is raised by Council Tax. There are also precepts included in that to go supposedly for Police, Fire, and County councils included in that...

So the Road tax and Fuel duty are not used in support of motorists at all.

In fact you may find that part of it funds the obstructions in our roads and speed camera campaigns, and maybe even some of the larger parking warden (or whatever they call them these days) schemes.

In fact the government has a vested interest in high world oil prices from both ends of the spectrum, and WE are supposed to have a vote, and a voice in how we are governed...don't make me laugh... It's like a script from 'Eastenders'...Everyone arguing and fighting, and moralising, but no consideration to real life or people...Too much fantasy being taught in those high universities...

NOTHING supports WE THE PEOPLE who should have first consideration...

and don't get me started on overseas aid...You just don't want to go there...

i couldn't agree more with you, i just wish the government would get their finger out and do something about it. i would bring back the death penalty and public executions for anyone caught 3 times for ANY crime that would sort them out. we could get the £50,000 back for every yob we are keeping in luxury.

Leon01:Yup! Howabout the way Gaddafi is fighting 'rebels'. If anyone in the UK or US did what the 'rebels' have done they would be branded 'terrorists'. Is all PR **** usage of words and placement.

A whole different argument and totally off topic but I agree whole heartedly - One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter

To GRUMPA, what an ignorant cretin you are, I am very much in favor of people having their say on subjects, but you really should be sure of your facts first. The government rake in £55,000,000,000 plus per annum (£55 billion in case you don't know), from the motorist. Out of this, only £5,000,000,000 is allocated to road repairs, new road builds, general road upkeep etc. The rest is hived off to pay for non motoring things like hospitals, overseas aid (£8,000,000,000 and it will be rising by 30%) for India and Pakistan and Africa. The motorist is a cash cow for the government. Yes ROAD TAX was meant to be raised for the upkeep and new build of roads and nothing else. Further more your local council have a highways department that maintains the roads localy and they are funded by central government out of road tax.

10p or 20p off would do for a start!

diesel in the Shetland Isles has come down to 149.9p per liter today (hooray)

rural areas are really struggling with fuel costs, some people commute over 100 miles per day (yes even in Shetland) over tight single track roads, with passing places. Not great for achieving high fuel economy....maybe just as well there is not much else to spend your money on here!

Quote from Spyderman:

"You mention a cost of 3p a litre...

Let me enlighten you...

THAT IS THE COST OF FUEL!!!

Go to Djerba in Tunisia, and you will see LIBYAN trucks ferrying fuel to the west. Their drivers supply all the fuel dumps that masquerade as what we call 'filling stations or garages'.

They make profit selling fuel at 7p a litre...

Now please explain why we are wasting all those mega pennies fighting Gaddafi?

OIL you say? well who would have thought it...

This government are liars and scoundrels and charlatans, and they think we will blindly accept what they tell us all the time. I wonder if Cameron will go as easily as Mubarak if their was a revolt here?...No thought not, so let me add the word Hypocrite to the earlier list of derogatories...

Anyone else got more?"


Yup!

Howabout the way Gaddafi is fighting 'rebels'. If anyone in the UK or US did what the 'rebels' have done they would be branded 'terrorists'. Is all PR **** usage of words and placement.

sir the iron lady did not stop apprentaships/ it was harold willson started to close the mines and brought redunded miners in to train as whatever , i was serving my apprentaship as a fitter turner then and they were paid more than us at the time

You mention a cost of 3p a litre...

Let me enlighten you...

THAT IS THE COST OF FUEL!!!

Go to Djerba in Tunisia, and you will see LIBYAN trucks ferrying fuel to the west. Their drivers supply all the fuel dumps that masquerade as what we call 'filling stations or garages'.

They make profit selling fuel at 7p a litre...

Now please explain why we are wasting all those mega pennies fighting Gaddafi?

OIL you say? well who would have thought it...

This government are liars and scoundrels and charlatans, and they think we will blindly accept what they tell us all the time. I wonder if Cameron will go as easily as Mubarak if their was a revolt here?...No thought not, so let me add the word Hypocrite to the earlier list of derogatories...

Anyone else got more?

To all who replied to my comment. An example of what a cockeyed world we are in... 1 of the ladies who has worked for me for 12 years, a b good worker, loyal, customers loved etc. told me she was leaving because she was better off on benefits!!!!! - a council house dweller with a son who has never 'officially' worked will get a better state pension than I do, pay £9 a week rent, no council tax etc. so please tell me where have I gone wrong...self employer all my working life, never claimed a penny in sick and like samarden316...will probably have to leave my home of 45 yrs. Makes me so angry!!!!!!

I totally agree with your point, 1p will make bugger all differance to me, a better way to save the countries purse in my opinion would be to abolish mp's right to claim expenses and force them to take a 20% pay cut as for bankers make it illegal for them to recieve any bonus at all and cap their earnings. National service should be brought back as that would sort out the yob culture we suffer, prisons full, bring back the death penalty and deport any foreign nationals who have commited crimes such as murder, rape, tax evasion, benefit fraud etc. I am a single parent of four children and work very hard but i have already lost £305 per month in the first part of this year, i can't afford to loose any more but unfortunatly it looks like i just have, nothing for it now but to move to a smaller house, sell the family car and rely on pathetic public transport, value brands at tesco, and highly likely debt management!!!!!!

pati,/gingershef. Did you see that 4 Ltr Range Rover at a cost of at least £40,000 outside No 11 Downing St . It was on the News last night. NOW THATS WHERE YOUR PENNY'S ARE GOING. I am 70 so all I can do is leave it to the idiots that voted them in.
It's the kids I feel sorry for " Apprenticeships for the Youth " ,didn't the IRON LADY get rid of them ????.

Obviously you are in a position where your car is not a necessity....I own a cleaning company which in the last year has almost gone out of business, not because I lack customers but my staff are unable to afford to run a car to get them from customer to customer. I have always factored in a milage allowance to my costs but nowadays it does not cover the cost of running a vehicle for work and the customer is not impressed at the ever increasing cost of the service. And who is suffering????? elderly and infirm people who need help in their homes, who never leave their homes so have no use for a car themselves. I consider my staff who have been with me for 23 yrs some of them, trying to be financially independant, next stop..BENEFITS!!!!!!!! thats something else you will be paying for....

So yes I think small business such as mine are entitled to moan...1p absolute waste of time