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Last post Wed, Oct 28 2009, 10:58 AM by edwards. 6 replies.
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  •  Wed, Oct 28 2009, 10:58 AM

    Re: Changing Bank Charges

    To all members I have searched for an alternative to HBOS and found the best bank to compare with my old HBOS account to be Clydesdale!! I am now with them.

    Good luck to HBOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  •  Thu, Oct 22 2009, 1:30 PM

    Re: Changing Bank Charges

    Kay84:

    I was only paying about £3 interest a month before.

    In that case, as a very modest o/d user, you are one of the big losers, and it could be even worse than you think.

    As well as how many days in the month you are in overdraft, you will be you need to consider what is your agreed limit because while the rate is £1/day up to £2,500 (and then £2/day) its £5/day if you exceed your agreed limit.

    Other banks may offer to match your existing overdraft so shop around.

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  •  Thu, Oct 22 2009, 1:16 PM

    Re: Changing Bank Charges

    Hi Kay84,

    From what I understand it is just the Halifax that have adopted this practice - so by swapping banks you are likely to avoid these charges, in favour of something you may be more familiar with.

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  •  Thu, Oct 22 2009, 1:09 PM

    Re: Changing Bank Charges

    Hi i was just coming on here to ask about the same letter recieved from halifax. I have an arranged overdraft with them that i have had for years, i took it out when i was earning alot more and it wasn't used as much. Since switching jobs i use it most months. Does this mean if i go into my overdraft and do not pay it back until payday i will be paying £1 a day so it could be about 25 days or something until payday thats £25 a month!! I was only paying about £3 interest a month before.

    If this is the case i dont know what to do, I could switch banks but id have to keep paying the overdraft off and they will keep charging £1 a day.

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  •  Wed, Oct 21 2009, 11:43 AM

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    I am glad someone has worked out the APR for these ridiculous charges as the customer service advisor couldn't. I am currently arranging a loan to pay off my overdraft and will NEVER bank with HBOS EVER again. The only help they offered me was to have a credit card................................................
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  •  Sat, Oct 17 2009, 3:30 PM

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    Letsgetreal:

    You've hit the nail on the head, customers who diligently keep within a modest arranged overdraft are the big losers here, facing a very high marginal interest rate, bizarrely decribed as 0%EAR.

    Just as our fearless regulators stood aside as the least able to pay incurred massive unfair penalty charges, a system equally unfair to a different category of customers has sneaked in massive 0%EAR charges under the gaze of our fearless regulators......

    However thanks to threads like this hopefully these customers are much more able to switch. There is a guide on this website, start at the top and work down. Only HBOS is trying this on (at the moment).

    On the face of it this seems like HBOS "postal worker" suicide. I have a theory that it's actually Lloyds Banking Group "murder" of HBOS current accounts. Time will tell.

    Meanwhile there is still a choice of traditional "soak the poorest with unfair charges" type accounts for people who see the danger in the HBOS 0%EAR £1/day account. It's time to practice switching methinks. That's what the notice period is for.

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  •  Sat, Oct 17 2009, 2:45 PM

    Changing Bank Charges

    I received a letter in the post from the Halifax yesterday informing me of changes to my Current Account T&C's. I think it will be be worthwhile exercise to make as many people as possible aware of what the Halifax is up too & to find out whether the other banks are following suit. Hence this post.

    Some background information to begin with. I consider myself to be very careful & organised financially. I currently have an Arranged Overdraft Facility of £1,500, which I use sparingly from time to time, for only a few days at a time. I currently get charged interest on the amount that I use, for the number of days I am overdrawn. To date the highest amount of interest I have had to pay for a single month is 78p.

    The new T&C's I received today say:

    "From 6th December 2009 we'll no longer be paying the 0.1% AER/gross credit interest we pay you on the balance in your account, or charging you debit interest on any overdraft you use. Instead, we're introducing new, simple and easy to manage overdraft fees."

    "At Halifax we're committed to fees that are clear and simple to understand. From 6th December 2009 we'll charge the following daily fees:

    - If you use an arranged overdraft up to £2,500, we'll charge you £1 a day

    - If you use an arranged overdraft over £2,500, we'll charge you £2 a day

    - If you use an unarranged overdraft, we'll charge you £5 a day

    - We won't charge you any interest on an overdraft, whether it's arranged or unarranged

    This means there will be no additional fees to pay if you use an overdraft. These fees make it easy to calculate what your overdraft will cost you each month you use it."

    So under the guise of supposedly making it easier for customers to understand their fees, the Halifax Bank will:

    (1) Stopped paying interest on these Current Accounts, and

    (2) Instead of charging interest on the actual amount arranged to be borrow, will charge a flat daily fee. This in effect is purposely designed to penalize the vast majority of the Halifax’s careful & diligent customers, using a vastly inflated 'disguised' annual interest rate.

    These proposed new arrangements mean for an Account Holder with an arranged overdraft facility, who receives & checks their bank accounts using their monthly statements(N.B. Many people still receive quarterly statements), if they mistakenly or unknowingly go JUST 1 pence overdrawn one day after receiving a statement, could potentially pay £30 in bank 'fees' in a month for that oversight!

    The Banks know of & to some extent are reliant on ‘customer inertia’to keep their chosen business models running. The Halifax of course knows about & can quantify the many 10’s of thousands of its customers that sometimes mistakenly go into an Unauthorized Overdraft for a variety of reasons. This type of oversight is commonplace & is easily identifiable/measurable phenomena within the Retail Banking Industry. Which is exactly why this new policy is outrageous & grossly unfair. The move to flat rate fees has been deliberately designed to 'hide' the true size of the punitive annual interest rates being applied to these accounts.

    For an Account Holder without an arranged overdraft facility, whom receives & checks their account using their monthly statements, if they mistakenly or unknowingly go just 1 pence overdrawn, for whatever reason, one day after receiving their statement, may have to pay up to a mind-boggling £150 in bank fees for just 1 month! If this account holder was just 1p overdrawn for a year, without an arranged overdraft facility they would be liable for a horrendous £1,825 in fee for the year i.e. with the equivalent Annual Interest Rate at 182,500%.

    Isn’t the Bank Charges case currently going through the courts meant to be addressing exactly this type of ‘unfair’ charge? Clearly these changes have been deliberately designed as a money-making exercise, but are a very crude & under-hand attempt by HBOS to dig its way out of a hole of its own making, by exploiting its customers in whichever way possible. Even as a very deliberate attempt to raise money, I still find it hard to believe that the HBOS’ Management Team has thoroughly thought through all the implications of these changes. In light of the banking crisis, this won’t be the first time!

    With the introduction of these crudely ‘disguised’ punitive Annual Interest Rates of up to ridiculous 182,500%, it would seem that HBOS are now entering the Loan Sharking Business! What makes these actions by HBOS even more unacceptable, is the fact that it is one of the banks that has been bailed-out by tax payers & is now partially public owned, as part of the Lloyds Group.

    After the Banking Crisis & Bank Bail-out, we the general public, should no longer just stand idlely by & let the Banks get away with such blatant excess & exploitation. I have lodged an official complaint with the Halifax & contacted the Parliamentary Treasury Select Committee about this matter.

    After the Banking Crisis & Bank Bail-out, we the general public, should no longer just stand idlely by & let the Banks get away with such blatant excess & exploitation. I have lodged an official complaint with the Halifax & contacted the Parliamentary Treasury Select Committee about this matter.

    After the Banking Crisis & Bank Bail-out, we the general public, should no longer just stand idlely by & let the Banks get away with such blatant excess & exploitation. I have lodged an official complaint with the Halifax & contacted the Parliamentary Treasury Select Committee about this matter.

    Please let me know what the other Banks are up too & if you have any suggestions about other actions that can be taken against this type of banking exploitation.

    Thanks

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