home
in

Insurance for young drivers

Last post Thu, May 08 2008, 12:51 AM by Vicissitude. 3 replies.
Sort Posts: Previous Next
  •  Fri, May 02 2008, 11:01 AM

    Insurance for young drivers

    Teenage motorists are paying the price for the reputation of their peers: they face bumper car insurance premiums and some insurers won’t even offer them cover at all. Finding a car insurance deal for youngsters is no easy task but there are solutions. Andy Leadbetter, head of motor and home insurance examines the reasons why and suggests several ways to reduce your premium.

    Click here to read this article.

    What is your experience of being a young driver looking for insurance? Do you feel unfairly treated or do you think that the statistics prove a point and the premiums are fair? Are you a parent who has found cheap car insurance for their son or daughter? How did you find the best deal? Click to reply to have your say...

    Compare quotes from more than 50 car insurance providers


    Community
    • Post Points: 65
  •  Fri, May 02 2008, 2:46 PM

    Re: Insurance for young drivers

    Hi Andy,

    A well debated topic here as you know and one which is good business for MS. Putting that aside,I think you have hit the nail on the head for me. Young drivers pay for the reputation and undoubtedly the claims expereince of their peers.That's the problem,in that it takes a very large group of people and applies risk assessments to all those people within that population.There is little individual scope for the many who may go about their driving in a responsible and safe manner.It's a rather blunt instrument and one by which I think Insurers have capitalised upon.

    No one really can prove amongst the public whether there has been profiteering at the expense of youngsters and their long sufferring parents but I would place a pretty sure fire bet that Insurance Executives would have been remiss if they hadn't noticed a marketing opportunity when it stares them in the face.

    So what are the answers? Perhaps a system that gave youngsters the benefit of the doubt until such time as they had a negative claims experience. Rewarding them faster by reducing premiums based on claims free experience at an accelerated rate.Love to hear other inventive ideas and a progressive attitude from Insurers.

    I am afraid to say that unfortunately,I still think fronting is embedded in our driving culture.I don't condone it but unless you are an avid reader of forums like this,most people think young named drivers is the way round the problem.Often they don't realise they are deceiving the insurer and will be storing up problems for themselves.

    Things have changed since I was a young driver.Insurance costs were never ever so prohibitive. I think that's why it's so hard for us as parents now to swallow these horrendous costs.I would like to think that it's time we had a bit of a rethink towards this issue.There must be better brains than mine who can offer up cost effective solutions to make this a more manageable issue.

    • Post Points: 68
  •  Tue, May 06 2008, 6:51 PM

    Re: Insurance for young drivers

    My son, who was 17 Aug 07, passed his test in Jan 08, first sitting with no faults - I feel this information could be taken into consideration by the Insurance Companies when calculating prices. I realise that this is no guarentee to good, risk free driving but it must be a factor. I am currently paying £75 extra per month for him to be a named driver in my car, a Honda Jazz.

    Could anyone clarify if he sits his Pass Plus would he qualify for the reduction as I am led to beleive it's only valid on policies for a car he owns!

    LFM

    • Post Points: 5
  •  Thu, May 08 2008, 12:51 AM

    Re: Insurance for young drivers

    It's a rather blunt instrument and one by which I think Insurers have capitalised upon.

    No one really can prove amongst the public whether there has been profiteering at the expense of youngsters and their long sufferring parents but I would place a pretty sure fire bet that Insurance Executives would have been remiss if they hadn't noticed a marketing opportunity when it stares them in the face.

    So what are the answers? Perhaps a system that gave youngsters the benefit of the doubt until such time as they had a negative claims experience. Rewarding them faster by reducing premiums based on claims free experience at an accelerated rate.Love to hear other inventive ideas and a progressive attitude from Insurers.

    Hi Backfoot,

    A good post - although, as always, I have to stick my comments in here!

    I have to disagree with the comment about insurance companies profiteering at the expense of youngsters. As we debated a few months ago (separate thread), we established that the insurance companies pay out a hell of a lot more due to young drivers (Ref: Andy Leadbetter Research shows that every day Britain's roads witness four fatalities or serious injuries as a result of accidents involving young people. It is estimated that the country's 18-year-olds alone cause 50 collisions a day - that's more than three times as many as drivers in their 50s). The ABI statistics speak for themselves (as posted previously).

    There is a marketing opportunity with the young driver's market, but this is actually to the opposite that you suggest. Insurance companies do not charge extortionate and non proportionate premiums, and there are lots of companies out there trying to compete with each other in this particular field. 4youngdrivers, Endsleigh, Provident, Capricorn amongst many more.

    I'm not too sure how a system giving youngsters the benefit of the doubt would work? If all young drivers were given smaller premiums until they forced a claim payout, then the industry would turn on it's head and the more experienced drivers would face a massive increase to pay for the claims that the young drivers caused.. due to the lack of reserve from the small premiums reflecting the bigger risk. Insurance companies must budget for reserves and to satisfy the FSA that they have adequate Reinsurance measures in place to cover the excess risks they take on. If Company X has a budget of £25,000,000 in GPW and writes this due to change of underwriting allowing big risks to be written at smaller premiums, then the net profits would actually be in the red due to the inevitable massive claims payouts. The insurer would find it difficult to purchase Reinsurance as the whole idea is nonsensical and everybody would be at an abolsute and certain loss.

    There are so many factors surrounding insurance that many people on here don't even realise. It's even been suggested that medical expenses is irrelevant! Absurd! As I have stated in another thread, the damages awarded to somebody of a younger age is far greater than to those of an older age. With reference to: "Insurance costs were never ever so prohibitive": this is because the cost of living has never been so high. Medical bills are through the roof, costs of repair have increased, value of goods has always been on the up.. many more etc. It is vitally important that everybody understands the UK economy and it's knock on effect; unfortunately insurance takes the brunt of it. As per Andy, if there are four fatalities a DAY caused by young drivers, the compensation is large. Furthermore, four serious injuries would probably lead to even larger compensations due to the long term care of the injured party and the possibility of a bright future that the injured party could have enjoyed. It's not uncommon for a fatal accident to be settled at less than £1,000,000 but damages awarded for serious injuries leading into several millions of pounds. If you do the maths, it's not hard to realise how important it is for everybody to be charged a premium the way they are today.

    Back to the subject at hand, unfortunately the key point is 'Education'. An absolute fortune is spent on road safety measures but, to the young, this is overlooked. If they were that bothered about Education, they would have stayed on at University, bypassed driving like a muppet in a high powered bright green neon'd RS weapon that they lack experience in driving, and maybe they may have ended up with a decent job with a nice little (classy) sports car at the age of 25. The bottom line is young drivers cause insurers to pay out a hell of a lot in damages; both to third party property and injury claims. If every insurer refused cover to those under 21/25 then the entire customer base would reap extensively reduced premiums. The only way that everybody is going to enjoy lower premiums is by raising driving ages to minimum of 21 (or 25 if you want massive reductions). It won't happen anytime soon, but the figures are there. 18-21 year olds (especially male) are bad moral hazards, driving bad physical hazards who are, ultimately, a bad risk. If there were only a minority then there wouldn't be as big an issue. It isn't only a minority, it's a majority and therefore we all pay for it.

    Finally, may I refer the readers to the following thread which could open everybody's eyes to the very basic understanding RE: premium calculations and how, in fact, the insurance companies are NOT using young drivers to make up profits! http://www.moneysupermarket.com/community/forums/post/faqs-how-insurance-is-worked-out-general-insuranc-79717.aspx

    I must stress how fundamentally important it is that everybody is adquately insured by presenting an accurate risk which will provide you with an accurate premium to reflect. A dishonest representation of risk is just as bad as an uninsured risk. Both cost the insurance industry billions which must be collected from somewhere... us all .


    Kind Regards,

    Vicissitude
    • Post Points: 35